Bleach 168 + Updates
Bleach 168 is done. MKV in both SD and HD. (HD was done this week it seems and will continuing episodes will be this format it seems.) We also did not mess up the resolution aspect ration unlike the other group. 480p =/= 720p. AVI is done with I am working on the guide at the moment but give me some time to find the best method in speed and compatibility. Expect it this weekend.
New staff is onboard to help us quite litterally pwn the speed and quality struggle once again.
Torrents for 168 are here:
704×396 SD MKV
on April 30, 2008 on 1:30 am
I will wait for you 1280×720 release! thanks again flomp!
on April 30, 2008 on 2:11 am
HD!!!! Thanks for the release
on April 30, 2008 on 2:26 am
So, pablo is asleep and can’t update the post, but the torrent is here:
http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=6306
Happy watching
on April 30, 2008 on 2:57 am
oh 1280×720! Thank you soo much. when you guys said higher quality i didn’t think you were going HD. I love you guys so much. Thank you. Yet again you have come to impress me.
on April 30, 2008 on 3:14 am
this is gonna be sweet!! bleach in HD!! banzai flomp!!
on April 30, 2008 on 4:24 am
hey guys i also downloaded code gaess using this similar format. Is tehre a specific codec you need in order to play HD 1024×768?
on April 30, 2008 on 5:05 am
you don’t need codecs for a particular resolution of video.
What you need them for is the video and audio streams.
Bleach 720p uses H264 video in an mkv container.
CCCP with MPC works fine. Just google cccp.
on April 30, 2008 on 9:01 am
omg thank you,
I’ve soooo been waiting for this and now the HD version too ^^
Man you are something.
on April 30, 2008 on 9:43 am
So this is legit HD and not an upscale?
on April 30, 2008 on 9:57 am
As Sick asked, does Bleach air in HD ? What res raws are you working on ?
Anyone knows in what format Naruto airs as well ?
on April 30, 2008 on 10:01 am
holy crud! its the 1st tym that an mkv file taxed my cpu at 100%! it happend during the ending song. usually its jus 20-30% when playing an HD mkv file. >,<
on April 30, 2008 on 10:40 am
same here… even thora’s 1080p 5cm per second blueray rip had my pc at 90%…
but the ed song for this ep had my pc at 100%
on April 30, 2008 on 11:05 am
and im using coreavc too! >,<
btw, is this a true HD release or is it jus an upscale?
on April 30, 2008 on 11:18 am
I’ve got a prob
The opening and ending karaoke doesn’t feature any special effects.
Is anyone experiencing the same problem or is this normal?
on April 30, 2008 on 12:52 pm
my cpu was only at 50 when playing the epi even at the end it was still 50 and yes no special effects
thanks for the upscale epi really nice quality
on April 30, 2008 on 1:09 pm
just noticed… why on earth are you using Vorbis sound instead of AAC ?!
can we have some details on the raw file you used ?
and what does the “=/= ” symbol mean ?
@yunji
i think there are not subtitles at all rendered on the video, thats probably why the karaoke effect is not so fancy (it’s all on the .ass subtitle file)
it’s kind of unusual that the ending song doesn’t play smoothly, most likely some minor encoding problem
on April 30, 2008 on 1:41 pm
the ending karaoke eats my entire procesing power. if i turn it off everything is fine. wats with that? >,<
on April 30, 2008 on 1:51 pm
I hope flomp releases the next epi with stylish karaoke because this ones were just plain ugly
on April 30, 2008 on 2:55 pm
First 720p One Piece now bleach. Domo for the 720p bleach. Ill wander too if this is true 720p or upscale. But by judging this sentence “We also did not mess up the resolution aspect ration unlike the other group. 480p =/= 720p.” it should be true HD. Anyway thx for the releases.
@Viral Gaara
=/= - it mans its not the same item like ferrari =/= bicycle, also common stort typing for =/= is !=. Hope u understood it.
on April 30, 2008 on 3:17 pm
LOL ok people the episode was entirely soft subbed which means there is no karaoke effect period. we are gonna do some but they will take time since it is not easy to manually do them. also this is a studio upscale but who cares considering shows like Code geass R2 are studio upscales but there is litterally very little to show that it is an upscale or not! and the reason everyone shot upto 100% is probably the color change in the karaoke or a glitch in the video. btw Vorbis is what many subbers still use not everyone has switched to aac. Also I am 50% done with the AVI Guide.
on April 30, 2008 on 4:48 pm
sorry if i sound stupid guys but to play a true HD type file would u need a HD monitor
:S
on April 30, 2008 on 6:15 pm
Well, i’m a little upset that its an upscale, but it looks better than when I take the normal release and stretch it to my monitor so I can’t really complain.
on April 30, 2008 on 6:53 pm
@gonzoe
You don’t need a HD monitor to play HD files. Just about all LCD’s will show HD fine. Many CRT monitors also play HD as well so it shouldn’t be a problem.
on May 1, 2008 on 12:12 am
Wow, 343mb and 1280×720 and widescreen this is just amazing thank you SOOOO much Flomp!!! Dattabayo now has it widescreen (yay) but your releasing this in such an Awesome Quality and totally blows theirs away!
When I download anime, i have my LCD HD TV on my wall hooked up to my computer (Duel-view) so I can watch it on my TV, and it just looks so amazing on it, i wish someone could release Naruto like this also XD
Anyway thanks so much I’ve been looking forever for such a good quality of Bleach, you’ve totally made my day, only downside was it took so long for 168 to get released here but I don’t mind it’s totally worth the wait tho faster is better XD
on May 1, 2008 on 12:47 am
720p bleach = pure win.
Thx a lot guys. Btw just wondering but wut happened to ep 167?
on May 1, 2008 on 2:51 am
it disappeared into the abyss. xD
on May 1, 2008 on 3:34 am
Seems like you softsubbed the karaoke? This hurts CPU-Power a lot you know.
At least hardsub the karaoke and typeset, if you didn’t dot hat already, or your fanbase might shrink for real ;/ You’d need a realfast CPU for this.
on May 1, 2008 on 3:44 am
@Revenant
Pablo just said: “we are gonna do some [karaoke] but they will take time since it is not easy to manually do them.”
So they skipped the karaoke to get the ep released faster, they had problems with staff having exams and stuff.
@flamer and jsc
Ep 167 has been out since… 21.4, it just seems that nobody botherd to update the main page about it -_- get the H264 SD release here: http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=5988
on May 1, 2008 on 3:56 am
Sorry about the doublepost, but you really need to change your encoding-options with the HD release… 343MB is ridiculously large file for a normal below-25-min episode…For example, Eclipse’s encodes for Hayate no Gotoku! and Shakugan no Shana II were ~170MB for SD XviD/avi and ~230MB for HD H264/mkv. 343MB will be a problem for some people…. Sure, they can always download the smaller SD release, but there really is no reason to do over 300MB encodes… I hope this is because 168 was your first HD release so you’re yet to optimize your encoding-options…
on May 1, 2008 on 4:25 am
Thank you very much for Bleach in 720p, now getting it to see the quality.
@Darth Arrow, some anime just need more bitrate, and some need less. Eclipse just uses standard sizes while most of the anime they do can do with less bitrate or some have too little….
Don’t know who of the joint encodes bleach? But if it’s the same one as who does Soul Eater for Rumbel, then it’s gotta be nice ^^.
on May 1, 2008 on 4:30 am
Yeah, i understand that, but well, considering that Flomp-Rumbel have done H264 SD Bleach releases with a ~140MB filesize with a video bitrate of ~700kbps, where would they suddenly need 1800kbps worth of bitrate with the same codec? :O I can’t believe that the bigger resolution needs that much more bitrate, especially when the SD H264 release still has the “normal” bitrate and filesize of ~850kbps/170MB…. I’m fine with big-ass-releases cuz I’ve got a decently fast internet connection, but for ppl archiving releases or with slower connections, this WILL be a problem…. I just hope their next encodes will be moderate in terms of filesize…
on May 1, 2008 on 4:52 am
Ok, download done. It looks ok, it’s not real real HD I think. But it is better then normal SD.
and Darth Arrow, sometimes it really takes more then double the bitrate… I know as I’m the encoder for Bakawolf.
We released Seto no Hanayome in SD and 720p, the SD was good at 170MB, the 720p even needed more then 333MB to be completely good, but at 333MB most people won’t notice the difference. While True Tears had enough with 170MB per ep at 720p, and Itazura na Kiss even has enough with 140MB for 720p.
I do think bleach can do with less, if it’s filtered more (there’s noise everywhere). But that’s a preference of the encoder or not. If you want to preserve the noise/grain then you need to use more bitrate, so.
One point of advice though, change the ED karaoke, or hardsub it.
It uses 50% if my CPU during playback (Q6600 @ 3,2Ghz (quadcore))…
For the rest it looks nice and thanks for the nice release :).
on May 1, 2008 on 7:20 am
The problem with the end is that it is VFR at 60fps and softsubbed karaoke so relax next eps is going to be hardsubbed karaoke. We used 343mb since we know that when it comes to action scenes we will need the higher bitrate further down the road to make it look just as good. so suffer with it for a little while till we see some fights.
on May 1, 2008 on 8:37 am
Why does this remind me of the final episode of Eclipse’s Shakugan no Shana II? “You know you’re in trouble when the RAW is over 900mb” was their comment on it. Eclipse managed it cut it down to 357 but it was still much bigger than all the other episodes (about 235).
As most of you know, most groups encode episodes to certain set sizes so that they can fit either the entire series or a set number of episodes onto a DVD (and in the old days, a CD). This does become a problem when, as pablo212 said, if there are lots of action scenes. These require more space to maintain quality. Unless you folks are sticklers for the set filesize thing, how about using a more “normal” encoding rate and use a higher rate only during more action packed episodes? This way you can avoid unnecessary usage of bitrate on scenes that don’t need as much. While 343-350MB is also another standard episode encoding size, it’s usually for DVD rips and even then, I don’t often see them around much.
on May 1, 2008 on 2:32 pm
340 MB is a bit large but not at all a problem, the quality is great
340~350 MB = 12~13 episodes/DVD
(170 on the other hand IS ridiculously small)
if karaoke is too much of a hustle, you don’t have to include it everytime: because nobody sings every time !!! you could make two opening-ending files with nice rendered effects available separately, simple as that
Vorbis… i have little clue why its used in the first place (no you don’t have to explain) but anyway, AAC is superior in quality than both ogg and mp3, widely used along with x264 in HD encodes (actually exclusively) and aac would make it a drag and drop routine to make your .mkv file into a rather convenient .mp4
anyway in case i didn’t mention this; great work
see you again with episode 169
on May 1, 2008 on 5:49 pm
Bleach in HD! YESH! Oh and for those saying 350mb is to big…well if they wanted to make the filesize lower first they would have to switch to AAC so they have more fileszie for the video and secondly they’d have to max out all the h264 settings…which would mean they are actually using up more time for realeases when they want to get FASTER!
Oh and I’m not to sure bout encoding but maybe you guys could look into using a sever and split the encoding onto many parts? Wait that sounded crap…umm encodefarm? Or just split the raw into many files, encode each [part on a sperate computer, when done put them back together and mux the subs in? Dunno if it would be faster but maybe something to look into?
on May 1, 2008 on 9:08 pm
lol holy shit its so much better
on May 2, 2008 on 9:24 am
If MKV was so great why dont the scene use it
Ahhh wait XVID AVI is better thats why they use it
and it works on a LOT more dvd players then MKV
How about consdering releasing the non hd
175 mb xvid avi files TWO weeks after the MKV HD release
that is encoded from the SOURCE RAW not re-encoded from the MKV
(re-encoding loss of quality)
Example of daily releases in xvid:
http://www.nforce.nl/index.php?switchto=nfos&menu=sections§ionid=13
http://www.vcdquality.com/index.php?genre=5
Scene tv eps are encoded in 720 high def are labeled as HDTV.HR
Showname 0×00 HDTV.HR.XviD-GROUP.avi
see -HR HDTV
p://www.google.com.au/search?q=HDTV+HR
For a AVI guide why not follow the avi guide for the scene rules ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_(warez)#List_of_Standards
http://d0pe0r.1go.dk/rules/txd2k5.nfo
http://d0pe0r.1go.dk/rules/tv.txt
on May 2, 2008 on 12:20 pm
they are staying with MKV so stop complaining about it. The people here know what there doing so please stop with AVI is better. The only reason people want it because its simple and very lossy video format and a lot of people who watch anime don’t give a crap about quality. The people at Flomp do. If you can do a better job do it your self.
on May 2, 2008 on 3:42 pm
I’m one of them
I love watching Anime in High Quality, I’ve been watching Bleach since Episode 35 or so and on and this is the best quality i’ve seen it in.
on May 2, 2008 on 6:01 pm
Random: If you have not noticed those are not anime shows, and also 90% of shows are also released in H264 as well due to the ability for HD to look so much better then XviD. If your dvd player or whatever doesn’t support it then I guess it is time to look into an alternative method of viewing on it. BTW if you try the DB is better stunt… they use H264 in AVI and that is gonna fail as well. So, I did some tests and I managed to get the re-encode of the MKV to look as good as the original MKV though it was 600mb instead of 343… I guess that is the cost to watch on DVD players now a days.
on May 3, 2008 on 2:21 am
pablo,did u finish the conversion guide? we are waiting for it so badly
on May 3, 2008 on 11:58 pm
So far the best way for me to re-encode these files are to use to programs:
Megui and AVIrecomp
Megui converts the file to an avi but doesn’t include subs.
Avirecomp can recompress that avi to include subtitles, audio delay/conversion etc etc.
Avirecomp basically is a nifty GUI that incorporates Xvid Vdubmod and AVisynth (which is included in the installer.
Both are pretty self explainatory, though re-encoding takes about 2-3 hours depending on your computer…
You could you Just VirtualDubMod, but It seems that all of flomps mkvs have “missing reference points” and I can never re-encode it right though it takes about half the time…..
on May 4, 2008 on 10:56 am
You got the MEGUI idea from me….
I demand credit for something I can’t take credit for! lol j/king.
on May 4, 2008 on 11:31 am
Great release, great speed and quality. Not sure what happened to chad/ishida/rukia but you guys did your job, will let the writers do theirs.
on May 4, 2008 on 5:46 pm
Screw the guy who complained about file size. Your files aren’t too big. If you’re on dialup, watch it on youtube. If you don’t care about picture quality, go with the other guys.
I wish this show was produced in HD. I’d be dling 600mb raws with visual quality that makes your eyes bleed. File size should never be an issue. You can always pause a torrent or dl over night.
on May 5, 2008 on 8:21 am
how come my comments never show up?
on May 5, 2008 on 9:18 am
@ Sick
If you’d read my post, you would also have noticed that I said that the file size doesn’t matter to _me_ because I have fairly fast connection. Some people do not have, or they want to archive episodes, and for them ~330MB episodes are quite… huge. Also I didn’t see any point having the videostream encoded in a 1800kbps H264, when the SD release looks decent with just 800kbps and when other groups sub other 720p HD shows with a filesize of about 230MB…
I DO care about quality, that’s why I’m here and not at dattebayo.com… I just personaly don’t find any reason to do over 300MB encodes even with action-anime, like Bleach. But that’s for Flomp to decide, this is only my personal opinion.
on May 5, 2008 on 4:56 pm
I totally agree with Darth Arrow, since I myself am archiving the episodes and I want them
in high quality.
Hence I always dl HD episodes, but the filesize is too huge.
If EVERY episode in HD is released in this size than that would soon fill my hdd.
I really would like too see it in 200-250 MB filesize (and I think that would be more than enough)
on May 6, 2008 on 2:31 am
Viral Gaara and Dark-Aries please provide evidence before stating AAC is superior to other audio codecs. The file size of the resulting audio is a result of the target bitrate setting used and considering that most groups target 128kb/s there should be very little difference in file size between vorbis / AAC or mp3 at the equivalent 128kb/s settings.
on May 7, 2008 on 6:35 am
You need more than 230mb for legit HD (not upscale). The shows you listed are all upscales and even then Shana II could be very blocky at times. I’d suggest watching something like Dennou Coil (Ureshii) Ghost Hound (Ureshii), Gundam 00 (Menclave), Kurenai (Raw) to see first hand the wonders of a 300mb+ file for HD content.
Or just check this site out for a screenshot comparison of one of the better examples: http://www.ikalifa.com/?id=gundam00_001_HD
on May 7, 2008 on 4:17 pm
For those who like to archive Bleach (such as myself) and think having so many 300+mb files ontop of the 15-20GB you have already is a bit much.. the solution is simple. Upgrade your HDD or get an external one. 500gb hard-drives don’t cost that much nowdays, and that should be plenty.
on May 7, 2008 on 6:16 pm
will their bleach a bleach today or next week
on May 7, 2008 on 7:08 pm
will their be*
on May 7, 2008 on 11:13 pm
Is there like a wiki on anime? I’ve been a watcher for years but I don’t have alot of people to talk to about it. Trying to find out what anime is worth watching and what is considered classic that needs to be watched is a pain considering how many shows pop up every week.
on May 8, 2008 on 12:03 am
@Merril
How about picking smth from Awards section or from zillon recommendation threads on anime-reactor? There is choice to watch all series released by particular group (eg, KAA).
on May 10, 2008 on 8:01 pm
@ Helms…
It is superior…if it wasn’t the scene wouldn’t start using it over mp3. I’m not talking about anime or tv scene…I’m talking about the HD scene…blurays movies automatically use AAC audio…no why switch to AAC if you have MP3 and Ogg? Also Nero Digital AAC from my knowledge alows to have smaller audio birates at the same quality of mp3. AAC>Mp3 as H.264>Xvid/Divx. Simple. I’ve been encoding bleach episdoes for awhile for archive and helping others. NDAAC helps alot when you want to squeeze more video bitrate out. ALOT.
on May 12, 2008 on 1:51 am
@Dark-Aries
I finally realized half the reason why my comments don’t show up they were too long. Here is a screen shot of the rest of the comment above. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1886/textxh6.jpg My reply to your comment. http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/5131/audioo7.jpg
on May 19, 2008 on 7:49 pm
Um….Go to Doom9 forums. They mostly recommend using NERO AAC as at 64kbHE you get very good quality sound that is near identical to 128 Mp3. It reduces filesize at almost no loss of audio. I have the HD ep of 168 reencoded at half the filesize with NDAAC. I’ll post you link. Tell me if you hear anything bad about the audio…you won’t…now letme upload the ep(right after I remux the video with the right fps….:()
on May 21, 2008 on 8:14 am
reply:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6321/replyrn4.jpg
on May 21, 2008 on 9:16 pm
Use the audio from ep 168? I’ll extract the NDAAC audio and put it on sendpsace real soon…I don’t understnad exactly what you want for the test so I’ll just post the audio and you can compare yourself….unless I understand what you said.
on May 22, 2008 on 7:38 am
reply:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3513/audiotestlq5.jpg
on May 23, 2008 on 3:33 pm
AH…I get it. I’ll work on that then,,,
on May 24, 2008 on 1:24 am
Note:
The same uncompressed wave file is always used as the source.
So:
uncompressed wave —> AAC
same uncompressed wave —-> vorbis
same uncompressed wave —-> mp3 file 1
same uncompressed wave —-> mp3 file 2
My bet is that all the files will sound about the same. Thus proving that AAC is NOT the best codec.
on May 24, 2008 on 10:48 pm
ok then we’re arguing about two very different things. I’m only saying use NDAAC becasue you get the same sound at a lower FILESIZE. Which means higher bitrate for the video, meaning higher video compressibilty or quality. Either way it’s a better choice for wanting better video.
on May 25, 2008 on 5:28 am
All the encodes will be the same size. Size of AAC = size of vorbis = size of mp3.
The only reason to use NDAAC rather than the others is if you can tell that the sound quality of NDAAC is better than the other files at the same size. This will prove that AAC is a better codec for audio than the others which is what you said before “AAC is superior in quality than both ogg and mp3″.
Frankly speaking AAC is not definitely superior. In a previous post I already linked info from wikipedia stating the quality of different codecs and AAC is not the best.